Tulpa.info - tulpa-questions

You can create them or they can appear by accident.

Yeah, that's right, we create them, generally

2:26 AM

The idea for the practice is to create them intentionally but it's common to have the same phenomenon happen unintentionally with daydream characters and similar

It's the part where you say that they can appear by accident that makes this really hard to grasp.

They don’t just appear, you have to do something to create them, intentionally or not.

Hear me out for a second. Is it possible that; I made a tulpa as a kid just doing the ordinary imaginary friend thing. And then it just kind of took over its own existence if i forgot I created it?

Yes.

The appearing by accident... tends to be something moreso that happens after you've already made a tulpa. Your brain at that point knows how to make a tulpa and can generate a new one too easily... (this can be prevented or managed) If there was really no creative process involved then "tulpa" may not be the most accurate label. But some prefer the label tulpa anyway, if they're in the tulpa community

Luminesce: The mental phenomena at play behind "tulpas" is the same as any plurality in general, it's just something the human brain is capable of. It can happen as a coping mechanism in response to trauma, it can happen to writers who constantly play-out their characters in their heads, it can happen to people who just think a lot about characters in general (as it did for me) (edited)

You can accidentally make a tulpa from an imaginary friend I’ve met people who do. But if you made a tulpa-like imaginary friend as a kid then forgot about them or stopped thinking about them they will eventually stop existing. You don’t just have a tulpa existing without you knowledge

"Tulpas" are just one of many names for the phenomenon, but it's more or less the first term with a community that explores it logically and psychologically and teaches doing it on purpose.

Tulpa is just a name for a function in the brain, it comes in many forms for many different reasons.

Not that I forgot they existed. Like if my imagination was so strong that parts of it seep into the reality.. giving my tulpa the ability to appear in this world as a real person to my eyes. Alleivating the belief that I created them from my mind. UltiMtely giving them freedom to.exist in reality as their own entity. To me, it seems like completely real person. But no one else ever seems to see?

Luminesce: If you can't tell the difference or if it impedes normal functioning in any way, and wasn't done completely on purpose, that gets into disorder territory (edited)

Ok

2:35 AM

Well. I gave it a shot. Not gonna lie, I was hoping I would get a " sounds like a tulpa you're not crazy"

Not that I think the underlying processes behind disorderly plurality are much different from the ones behind tulpamancy. But the difference is the presence of disorderly symptoms

I get what you're saying

For the record, tons of other types of plurality coexist with the tulpamancy community perfectly fine... Which is why I think they're basically the same processes in the brain.

Like I'm not arguing that my heads off some times. I'm just looking for a better explanation than "you're brain don't work right, take your pills"

Well, whether you need pills or not depends on whether your experiences qualify as a disorder

They do. By definition and such. I do show symptoms of the illness they are accusing me of. Buuuut just because I have it doesn't mean that I'm gonna be like the standard of most that do too.

Luminesce: Though tulpamancy seems practice-able even while taking an antipsychotic for psychosis or such, from a few reports (edited)

2:39 AM

Yeah, if you have a disorder and are plural, professionally the plurality gets seen as a big part of the problem as well unfortunately

2:40 AM

Some professionals aren't pushy if you tell them your headmates are only positive influences and cause no harm, but some are

I just don't think I am what they say I am. But after all this I don't think I am the creator of a tulpa either.

An open-minded one will just go by whether your plurality specifically is accompanied by any negative symptoms, like unintentional switching or causing you general distress

2:41 AM

It's not unheard of for therapists/etc. to help treat or teach you to cope with your disorder(s) while accepting your headmates as not a problem in need of fixing

Not unheard of but definitely not common

Luminesce: And again, it makes a big difference if you have any disorderly-symptoms related to your plurality. Not being able to easily tell the difference between real and imagined people is a massive one. (edited)

2:43 AM

In tulpamancy, imposition, the practice of learning to see/hear/etc. your tulpa in real life, is an intentionally learned advanced skill, and is always distinguishable (at least as a "in the back of your mind 'knowing'") from reality

I work full time. I'm a supervisor. Inhave 0 criminal history. 0 violent history. Don't drink. Don't do drugs. But my kids were given to my wife with full custody because, and this is quoted directly from the judges mouth "the stigma of your mental illness is a violent one and because of that" blah blah. So I'm pretty much just desperately looking for an answer that doesn't involve a label lol

But if ""imposition"" just happens to you naturally and without much real distinguishing as imagination, that's pretty iffy

2:44 AM

Dang, that's pretty awful

1v1 situation I can tell a real person from my brain people. The more people in the equation the harder it gets.

Literal stigma

2:46 AM

Effectively every case of traumagenic plurality I've seen visit the .info community has just been a normal person, with just a stress disorder or other alike symptoms

My hope was, I created thing in my head that's creating the stigma, so maybe i can uncreate it

2:47 AM

But it seems as though my head created it itself. So the tactics for dismissal of a tulpa are not.going to help me.

Luminesce: Well, not-practicing-tulpamancy is really as simple as not practicing it. Not thinking of your ~tulpas, not thinking of them as independent entities/thinking of them as pure imagination, and definitely not engaging in practices like imposition/seeing them in reality (edited)

2:48 AM

If you can't not-do those things though, then that does lean more towards disorder territory, again.

Well, I tried that through out the years. Ignoring it doesn't work. So I feel I may have completely struck out non this one

Not that the judgement cast upon you for it was fitting at all

2:49 AM

But still, tulpamancy is a voluntary practice, and aspects of plurality being involuntary is a pretty basic diagnostic criteria for a disorder.

I know all peoples experiences are different and I didn't mean to possibly offend anyone when I said the stigma of it was worth Tha. Having it. I truly meant that only in my experience, for me.

(Excluding purposely and intentionally trained skills, like a tulpa popping up to talk or such on their own, but you'd probably know if you worked for that)

Heathen

I know all peoples experiences are different and I didn't mean to possibly offend anyone when I said the stigma of it was worth Tha. Having it. I truly meant that only in my experience, for me.

Schizophrenia?

Yeah

Luminesce: Lucky people with schizophrenia may never run into stigma, but I'd say it's more common that they do. (edited)

2:50 AM

To be clear though, schizophrenia isn't necessarily the type of disorder I was talking about, though it is related.

2:51 AM

Dissociative Identity Disorder is the primary "plurality" disorder

Most people that get diagnosed with it stop trying to succeed in a socially driven world.

2:51 AM

I refuse to believe I'm broken yuh know.

Not uncommon for people with schizophrenia to develop plurality either, but that's not a defining requirement they look for for it like for DID

Heathen

Most people that get diagnosed with it stop trying to succeed in a socially driven world.

thats not true at all

Can your subconscious create a tulpa to communicate with your concious?

Heathen

I refuse to believe I'm broken yuh know.

Definitely not, schizophrenia (while the severity varies) certainly isn't a life-ender if you're not completely detached from reality

I strictly meant % of people on average. Generally speaking. I know there are lots of people that get diagnosed and still try to strive

Luminesce: Definitely has a harsh stigma of being associated with 24/7 psychosis (edited)

2:53 AM

I'm not an expert on schizophrenia though, and I think severity does differ from case to case.

2:54 AM

But, at least in this community, I've met 10+ people diagnosed with schizophrenia, and at least 7 or so I've never once seen even act especially strange

I think that mental illness is a label psychology uses to separate the ones rhat will be harder to make conform.

(One case did have it pretty dang bad though, and tulpamancy was a negative influence on them)

2:55 AM

It's best just to be realistic about your symptoms. You experience what you do, and that doesn't always match the expectations of a label, since human brains vary a lot.

2:56 AM

One or two people with schizophrenia I've met really did have it bad, struggled with stressful chaotic thoughts that overtook and disrupted their reality, and so on

Like if I could record what it sounds like in my head, and then let you listen to it, it would be so much easier than trying to explain lmao. Parts of it coincide with tulpa but I don't think enough of it to use its practices to make it go away

Luminesce: But basically all the others just have varyingly manageable levels of chaotic thinking that, while it may lightly impede everyday life, FAR from crippled them entirely as human beings (edited)

2:57 AM

It all gets put under one term, but the severity of symptoms is really important to consider.

I gonto support groups for it too. There are alit of very well put together people with it as well. In all reality. The reality I live in is all I know. I never really had to put much thought into.any of it until the divorce and losing custody of the kids.

3:00 AM

Thanks.lum, you've been super informative. But now that I am certain I do.not have a tulpa I feel as though my conversation does not belong here. If you'd like to further conversation feel.free to message me

Luminesce: Unfortunately, while sometimes tulpas are created unintentionally, the practice of "tulpamancy" plurality is characterized by intent. Don't think that the underlying processes for you are completely different or anything - but there's likely more going on than just unintentional tulpa creation if you do experience other symptoms as you do, yeah. (edited)

I've always felt like I was fine. I was told by many doctors that I suffer from delusions and paranoia. Nothing in my head is violent, but I hear extra voice that's not mine. It's not mean, but it's there?

@Heathen - jump what made your doctors diagnose you with delusions and paranoia?

Luminesce: They already left, but if I had to guess, probably delusions and paranoia (edited)

10:13 AM

There's been a lot more talk about mental health than tulpamancy here recently

i mean that people here started talking what it could be based on „i hear voice in my head” without knowing rest of the medical history. Maybe it was just delusions and paranoi

10:14 AM

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10:17 AM

There's been a lot more talk about mental health than tulpamancy here recently

@Reisen - jump mental health awareness month is leaking through

Wait really about the schizophrenia part? Huh

Luminesce ↩️

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Wasn’t this server advertised as a “psychology” server, though.

10:31 AM

You’re kind of asking for people to join and ask about psychology.

Reisen

One or two people with schizophrenia I've met really did have it bad, struggled with stressful chaotic thoughts that overtook and disrupted their reality, and so on

I have schizophrenia to the point that it makes me not able to work or go to school but it's more my negative symptoms that affect me

Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

Wasn’t this server advertised as a “psychology” server, though.

Luminesce: I meant mental health discussion in the tulpa channels, it's fine in general I guess (since you guys are good enough at recommending seeing professionals when necessary and not trying to solve everything yourselves) (edited)

10:44 AM

I would like to see the tulpa channels stay a bit more on topic, though

10:44 AM

A lot of people view these channels not looking for discussion on schizophrenia or trauma or such, after all, just wanting to see normal tulpamancy discussion

hello! Is it normal to love your tulpa ''right from the start''? Since I started the creation process (3 days ago), I started feeling a VERY strong bond with her, i really love her (not in a romantic way, just.. love) My question is, could this delay/harm/be bad for development? Whenever we listen to music together, i feel really connected with her, I even witnessed (well, I assumed it was, ) an emotional bleed, is it possible?

I’d say it’s fairly normal from what we’ve heard, It could be beneficial for development because you’ll feel more motivation to interact with her and thus she’ll develop quicker due to more interaction

love with your tulpa is the biggest benefit about plurality

1:56 PM

what your experiences is loving someone and being loved... which in result is indistinguishable from self-love

1:57 PM

one thing to remember is that even if it grows into a romantic love and provides a big potential for self-growth, it shouldn't stop you from seeking opportunities of finding love with someone else in real life

1:58 PM

but if it stays as it is and doesn't grow into anything romantic, you end up experiencing unconditional love, which is so beneficial if you never experienced it

Luminesce: (Even romantic) tulpa relationships and human relationships aren't quite the same, in my opinion (edited)

1:59 PM

They shouldn't lead to excluding the other

1:59 PM

Though preference of that differs by system

I never experienced romantic ties with a headmate so I can't be sure, but I would definitely agree with what you said

2:01 PM

Although if someone chooses to subsidising a potential romantic relationship with a relationship with a tulpa, i can't help but feel sad for the person

Honestly, romantic relationships outside the system isn’t something we’re interested in at the moment

2:02 PM

Each to their own obviously

Not seeking a partner is not an issue, but I would say that feeling satisfied with a relationship with a tulpa which results with not being interested in a relationship with another human could be. Something to keep in mind (edited)

2:04 PM

There are people that report satisfaction from in-system relationship, but there are things that this kind of relationship cannot provide